The table of the 50 teams returning the most talent this year (not counting returning redshirts covered in Part 1 or freshman covered in Part 3) is at the bottom of this post. But first, for the hardest hit by departures.
"We will go from having the 2nd best duo in the country, to more of a committee of five excellent players – any of whom could explode. As for the projections, Gardner projects at #151 (even though Value Add doesn’t adjust for his time missed with injury, so could easily be top 100), J. Wilson is #307, Blue #369, Mayo #441 and Cadougan #489 (all in the top 12% of all D1 players)."
After their national championship tonight, Kentucky will be hit the hardest by player departures, losing 36.87% Value Add while keeping only the 3.59% from Kyle Wiltjer (ranked as the 1060th most valuable player this year). Their opponent Kansas will be the 4th hardest hit (20.72% Value Add lost), and Marquette isn’t far behind at 9th worst hit, amazing since we only lost two (incredible) players:
Team | Returning | Departing | Value Add ranks of departing players for 10 hardest hit teams |
---|---|---|---|
Kentucky | 3.59 | 36.87 | #1 Davis, #39 Gilchrist, #60 Jones, #67 Lamb, 3 others |
UNC | 10.19 | 21.36 | #13 Zeller, #117 Marshall, #123 Henson, #310 Barnes |
Missouri | 14.87 | 20.75 | #20 Denmon, #45 Ratliffe, #137 English, 2 others |
Kansas | 12.92 | 20.72 | #10 Robinson, #37 Withey, #109 Taylor, #1141 Teahan |
Wichita St. | 8.03 | 20.56 | #50 Ragland, #168 Stutz, #273 Murry, #355 Smith, #462 Kyles |
Florida St. | 6.52 | 18.77 | #118 James, #124 Snear, #427 Loucks, #598 Dulkys, 3 others |
Vanderbilt | 9.48 | 18.16 | #46 Taylor, #125 Tinsley, #190 Goulbourne, #774 Ezeli, 1 other |
Purdue | 8.28 | 17.04 | #34 Hummel, #128 Jackson, #265 Smith, #869 Barlow |
Marquette | 19.00 | 16.39 | #2 Crowder, #93 Darius Johnson-Odom |
Michigan St. | 3.84 | 15.43 | #3 Green, #350 Wood, #465 Thornton |
Except for John Calipari, who simply reloads every year with star freshman, returning players are the biggest part of most teams success in the coming year.
This is because 27% of players leave their teams, but they take 37% of the Value with them, as shown by this table. Returning players who played substantial minutes this year will likely provide about 82% of the roughly 4400% Value Add in the 2013 season, with returning red shirts, freshman and little used players stepping up combining for the other 18%.
Players | Off | Def | Val Add | |
---|---|---|---|---|
Departing | 932 | 1052.35 | -290.92 | 1612.77 |
Returning, 2012 Value Add | 2523 | 1692.82 | -491.07 | 2771.39 |
Returning, Projected 2013 | 2523 | 2441.51 | -569.64 | 3598.65 |
Edit: I learned after first posting this that apparently Sean Miller agreed with my surprise calculation last month that TJ McConnell of Duquesne was one of the 20 most valuable players in the country. Last week McConnell announced he will transfer from Duquesne to either UVA or Arizona, who could truly be loaded again if he joins their top incoming class in 2014.
That means that it is possible the top 18 Value Add players could all move on for 2013, meaning #19 Doug McDermott is the top player who has declared he will return to a loaded Creighton team. On the Final Value Add Calculations tonight, I flagged each player as a “Grad,” “Transfer Out,” “DraftA” (declared for draft), “DraftB” (expected to go in draft), “?DraftC” (50/50 on going to draft), “?DraftD” (probably staying), or left the flag blank if they are coming back. For purposes of the math in this piece, I have assumed that C. Zeller, Jenkins, Canaan and all the other DraftC and DraftD players stay with their team, but even that would leave only four of the top 20 players returning for 2013. I’ll publish the top 2500 with Part 4, but for now here is the final top 20 (though Davis and Robinson could still move slightly tonight in their game, and Total Value Add can be more than "Off minus Def" if player gets credit for bringing the ball up the court):
Rnk | Player | Team | Ht | Yr | Off | Def | Val Add | Gone? |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Anthony Davis | Kentucky | 6' 10" | Fr | 7.29 | -5.06 | 12.35 | DraftB |
2 | Jae Crowder | Marquette | 6' 6" | Sr | 6.24 | -4.89 | 11.12 | Grad |
3 | Draymond Green | Michigan St. | 6' 7" | Sr | 4.11 | -4.00 | 9.11 | Grad |
4 | Kevin Jones | West Virginia | 6' 8" | Sr | 7.67 | -0.97 | 8.65 | Grad |
5 | Cody Zeller | Indiana | 6' 11" | Fr | 6.69 | -1.80 | 8.50 | ?DraftC |
6 | Jared Sullinger | Ohio St. | 6' 9" | So | 5.66 | -2.71 | 8.37 | DraftB |
7 | Will Barton | Memphis | 6' 6" | So | 5.62 | -2.48 | 8.10 | DraftA |
8 | Damian Lillard | Weber St. | 6' 2" | Jr | 7.06 | 0.00 | 8.06 | DraftA |
9 | Jordan Taylor | Wisconsin | 6' 1" | Sr | 5.69 | -0.75 | 7.94 | Grad |
10 | Thomas Robinson | Kansas | 6' 9" | Jr | 4.11 | -3.70 | 7.81 | DraftB |
11 | Reggie Hamilton | Oakland | 5' 11" | Sr | 6.79 | 0.00 | 7.79 | Grad |
12 | C.J. McCollum | Lehigh | 6' 3" | Jr | 4.30 | -2.44 | 7.74 | DraftA |
13 | Tyler Zeller | North Carolina | 7' 0 | Sr | 5.35 | -1.89 | 7.74 | Grad |
14 | John Shurna | Northwestern | 6' 9" | Sr | 6.73 | -0.96 | 7.69 | Grad |
15 | John Jenkins | Vanderbilt | 6' 4" | Jr | 7.18 | 0.00 | 7.68 | ?DraftC |
16 | T.J. McConnell | Duquesne | 6' 1" | So | 3.32 | -2.66 | 7.48 | |
17 | Scott Machado | Iona | 6' 1" | Sr | 5.33 | 0.00 | 7.33 | Grad |
18 | Isaiah Canaan | Murray St. | 6' 0 | Jr | 5.54 | -0.71 | 7.25 | ?DraftC |
19 | Doug McDermott | Creighton | 6' 7" | So | 7.23 | 0.00 | 7.23 | |
20 | Marcus Denmon | Missouri | 6' 3" | Sr | 6.88 | -0.20 | 7.08 | Grad |
When we add up the Value Adds of just the returning players – not the returning red shirts we covered in Part 1 or the freshman we will cover in Part 3 – Cody Zeller projects to improve as a sophomore to be the top player in the country at 11.50% and give Indiana the most returning talent at 34.09%, while Doug McDermitt projects to be the second most valuable player at 10.23% and give Creighton the 2nd most returning talent at 28.86%. We never assume a player gains more than 3% in Value Add, which limits these two and a dozen others, but in other cases the projected offensive and defensive Value Adds projected to multiply by the following percentages depending on what year the player is (sophomores improve the most over their freshman year on average).
Projected Value Add improvement | Offense | Def | Ave. Total |
---|---|---|---|
becoming sophomore | 2.46 | 1.16 | 2.85 |
becoming junior | 1.46 | 1.16 | 1.69 |
becoming senior | 1.13 | 1.16 | 1.30 |
The good news is that despite losing so much talent, Marquette still projects to be in the Top 50 in returning talent alone because Marquette is one of only ten teams with five returning players (not looking at 2012 redshirts Otule, Thomas or the freshmen yet) to project to be in the top 500. We will go from having the 2nd best duo in the country, to more of a committee of five excellent players – any of whom could explode. As for the projections, Gardner projects at #151 (even though Value Add doesn’t adjust for his time missed with injury, so could easily be top 100), J. Wilson is #307, Blue #369, Mayo #441 and Cadougan #489.
The only other nine teams with five returning players in the top 500 are; Creighton, Duke, Indiana, K-State, LaSalle, St. Louis, Syracuse, VCU and Wisconsin.
The following are the 50 teams with the most returning Value Add from players who played substantial minutes this year, followed by a few other potential future opponents. The nice thing about Value Add is that as rosters change through recruits or additional players changing their mind on the NBA Draft, you simply add or subtract their Value Add number. So if Cody Zeller announced for the draft, you subtract his projected 11.50% and Indiana drops from 1st on this list at 34.09% Value Add to 23rd on the list at 22.59% Value Add. Here is the list, and we will cover the freshman projections in the next piece, and please post a comment or email jpudner@concentricgrasstops.com any time you note a correction or update.
Rnk | Team | Returning 2013 | Lost 2012 | Notes on returnee projections |
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1 | Indiana | 34.09 | 4.61 | #1 Zeller, #172 Watford need to stay |
2 | Creighton | 28.86 | 4.31 | #2 McDermott plus 4 in top 500 |
3 | Ohio St. | 27.19 | 12.00 | #5 Craft needs #10 Thomas to stay |
4 | Duke | 26.35 | 7.18 | Ma. Plumlee, Kelly, Curry, Cook top 200 |
5 | Gonzaga | 25.28 | 3.98 | #13 Pangos, #96 Bell |
6 | Saint Joseph's | 24.97 | 0.00 | #8 Galloway, #66 Aiken |
7 | Notre Dame | 24.89 | 2.30 | #16 Cooley, #44 Grant PLUS Abromaitis |
8 | Oregon St. | 24.79 | 0.00 | #63 Collier +2 top 400 |
9 | Wisconsin | 24.55 | 9.26 | #84 Gasser, #121 Berggren, #157 Evans |
10 | Minnesota | 24.12 | 1.54 | doesn't count Mbakwe, medical redshirt |
11 | Kansas St. | 24.06 | 4.16 | #27 McGruder plus 4 top 500 |
12 | Pittsburgh | 24.02 | 6.44 | #33 Patterson +2 top 300 |
13 | Florida | 23.93 | 12.50 | #25 Boyton, #88 Young prob. Staying |
14 | Memphis | 23.85 | 11.28 | #60 Black, #73 Crawford, #140 Jackson |
15 | La Salle | 23.84 | 4.46 | #85 Duren, #92 Wright plus 3 top 500 |
16 | Louisville | 23.54 | 9.55 | #15 Dieng, #54 Behanan plus healthy Siva |
17 | Illinois St. | 23.47 | 0.00 | Carmichael, Ekey, Moore top 200 |
18 | Syracuse | 23.41 | 20.92 | #64 Fair plus 4 top 500 |
19 | Davidson | 23.40 | 0.15 | Cochran, Cohen, Brooks top 200 |
20 | Texas | 23.39 | 11.97 | #30 McClellan, #91 Holmes, #153 Kabongo |
21 | Richmond | 23.20 | 3.19 | #74 Anthony +3 top 300 |
22 | Providence | 22.86 | 0.00 | #43 Henton, #56 Cotton, lost noone |
23 | New Mexico | 22.60 | 7.20 | #89 Williams, #100 Greenwood +2 top 500 |
24 | VCU | 22.57 | 3.79 | like Marquette, 5 between #150 and #500 |
25 | St. Louis | 22.47 | 5.79 | #78 Mitchell plus 4 top 500 |
26 | South Dakota St. | 22.37 | 3.46 | #21 Wolters should stay |
27 | Michigan St. | 22.20 | 15.43 | #69 Dawson, #80 Appling + 2 top 400 |
28 | California | 21.97 | 5.91 | #40 Cobbs plus two top 100s |
29 | Ohio | 21.40 | 0.35 | #98 Cooper +2 top 250 |
30 | North Carolina St. | 21.00 | 4.42 | #45 Brown, needs Leslie to stay |
31 | Alabama | 20.78 | 6.87 | Releford #22, plus 8 others |
32 | Tennessee | 20.74 | 2.24 | #79 Golden and … #199 Maymon |
33 | Rutgers | 20.52 | 1.24 | 4 top 500, lost only Biruta |
34 | St. Mary's | 20.20 | 8.45 | #34 Dellavedova, #111 Holt, #114 Waldow |
35 | Georgetown | 20.11 | 15.31 | #4 Porter, Lubick and Trawick top 500 |
36 | South Carolina Upstate | 19.90 | 0.97 | #75 Green, #102 Craig |
37 | Northern Iowa | 19.60 | 1.12 | #20 Tuttle +3 top 500 |
38 | Miami FL | 19.42 | 4.29 | #119 Scott plus three top 500 |
39 | Colorado St. | 19.33 | 2.42 | #48 Hornung, plus three top 500s |
40 | Drexel | 19.27 | 3.62 | #18 Massenat, #81 Lee |
41 | Iowa | 19.22 | 6.45 | #77 White, #126 Marble |
42 | Akron | 19.04 | 2.03 | all 7 back, Abreu #158,plus two top 250 |
43 | Bucknell | 19.04 | 0.50 | #59 Muscala, plus 8 others |
44 | Marquette | 19.00 | 16.39 | 5 in top 500 plus returning Otule, J. Thomas |
45 | Baylor | 18.90 | 14.92 | #31 Walton, #46 Jackson |
46 | Houston | 18.63 | 1.45 | ready with #61 Thomas, #148 Young, #360 Harris |
47 | Temple | 18.60 | 7.90 | #28 Wyatt plus 3 top 500 |
48 | Stanford | 18.58 | 5.96 | #53 Randall, #142 Bright |
49 | North Dakota St. | 18.56 | 1.34 | #115 Bjorklund +7 back |
50 | Virginia Tech | 18.46 | 3.30 | #58 Green apparently staying |
OTHERS WE MAY FACE | ||||
Cincinnati | 13.21 | 12.96 | #50 Wright, plus two top 500s | |
Connecticut | 17.39 | 11.16 | if #17 Napier, #104 Boatwright go, then no top 500 | |
Seton Hall | 15.20 | 9.78 | #52 Edwin, #497 Cosby | |
Southern Methodist | 6.36 | 2.88 | lost only top 1000 player, #476 Nyakundi | |
Villanova | 15.91 | 5.27 | #235 Yarou, #290 Cheek | |
Wisconsin Green Bay | 15.37 | 1.59 | #167 Brown plus 3 in top 500 |
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